Can your roof be done the DIY way?

Another aspect to consider whether the DIY route is appropriate for you, is the roof you plan to work on.  If it is a single-story, simple, walkable bungalow, with minimal roofing features, it will be straightforward.  If it is a multi-story, steep, complicated roof with many dormers, transitions, and protrusions such as skylights…  it won’t be.  That’s not to say it can’t be done – but it will require a much more careful planning from the installer.

Have a look at the sketch of a relatively simple roof.  Not too high, not a lot of complications.

House schema

True, there is some steepness.  But what else do you need to think about?  Here’s the same sketch showing some of the places where things can go wrong.

House schema Trouble spots

A – Chimney flashing
B – Ridge
C – Hips
D – Gables/Rakes
E – Valleys
F – Endwalls/sidewalls
G – Eaves
H – Below dormer

Not illustrated:

I – Transitions
J – Curved roof sections
K – Unequal starters
L – Skylights
M – Plumbing vents
N – Ventilation vents
O – Steel tubular chimneys


When things go wrong, they rarely happen on the flat areas with the shingles.  That’s not where the various forces that affect the roof get concentrated.  To engineer a system that is effective, you need to think about the various ways failure can happen, and for each failure mode, provide an appropriate countermeasure, with backup.  Each problem spot in the above diagram has specific challenges.  For instance, the endwall/sidewall (F) is responsible for waterproofing that joint, for channeling water driven in that direction by wind, for keeping out the meltwater that occurs when a snow mass is pressed against the warmth of the wall, and for anchoring the shingles at that perimeter.  The traditional weaknesses of the endwall flashing occur at the junction with the soffits at the top edge of the dormer, and at the lower part where it intersects the eave or joins the roof surface.

Other areas, such as the ridge (B), have other challenges, mainly related to wind, and wind-driven water.  Therefore the flashing system should properly anticipate the probable failure mode at each location and have the appropriate way of minimizing or eliminating the dangers in that area.  The installer must then ensure that the installation properly integrates the design elements so that all no weakness is introduced.

So far, we’ve been discussing the installation of the roofing products.  The preparation of the roof is just as important, yet is the area where many DIY-ers (and most roofing companies, unfortunately) skimp.  As discussed in other posts, the roof is a system, which starts with the vapour barrier, and includes the insulation, the ventilation, the decking, the underlayment, the flashings and waterproofing, and finally, finishes with the roof covering.  There is not much point in delivering a top-quality covering when the rest of the system is functioning poorly, as those deficiencies will affect the performance of the roof.  For example if the insulation is poor, then the there is a great potential for ice-dam formation, and related leakages.  Similarly, if the vapour barrier is not functioning well, then there is a good possibility of condensation with consequent rot of the decking or other roof components.

Besides the technical aspects, there’s also the issue of time.  It takes a significant time investment to study, learn the necessary skills, do the required preparation, and then carry out the installation.  Since most people considering DIY roofing have other jobs and obligations, it is common to see the project be done in sections or stages, since it is rare for people being able to do such a project without stopping.  If your roof has sections that can be worked on independently from the rest of the roof, this makes your planning and doing that much easier.

Another aspect is the location and access.  If, for example, your roof is on your cottage which requires several hours of travel to get to it, it is obviously very important that you have everything you need to do any aspect of the work with you – again planning is the way to ensure that nothing gets missed.  The access to the roof may require additional equipment, such as scaffolding, very long ladders, and even manlifts.  So the feasibility of doing it yourself should consider how easy or hard it will be to get to the roof in a safe and effective manner.

Roof preparation, debris disposal, and the amount of repair work, also will affect how quickly you can do the project, how much help you need to arrange, and what preparations you will have to make to ensure that things don’t go wrong.

We usually recommend a thorough inspection, careful measurement, and some thinking about the objectives of the exercise.  Some home-owners we work with go for a metal roof solution because they want a reliable, durable and high-performance covering that they will need to do only once.  However. not all roofing products are suitable for DIY installation.

Certain products require special tooling and skilled labour.  Others can be installed using commonly available tools, and are relatively easy to handle single-handed.  The roof complexity can also force the choice of product, since some products are very laborious to install on complex roofs.

Therefore, we suggest a consultation to ensure that the product that is being considered is appropriate for the installation, your skill level and ability, and the environment in which it will be installed.

Which brings us to the next post:  How does the product’s characteristics affect its use for the DIY project?  Tune in to find out!

(c) 2014 Paul Grizenko

So you want to DIY (do it yourself), but CAN you? Should you?

The answer to this question comes from the four “A”‘s:  Ability, Agility, Attitude, Aptitude.  Each plays a role in making it possible.

You’ve decided that you want to do the roofing yourself, and you are prepared to do the necessary learning and training to do it right.  However, another aspect to consider is your physical ability.  Roofing work requires some strength, good balance, and the ability to work in weather conditions that may not be ideal (either hot, or cold, or windy).  There are times when, due to rapid change in weather, you have no choice but to continue working even as the conditions deteriorate, and you have to have the ability to do so.  Roofing and renovation is physical, sometimes demanding work.

Roofing work also requires agility and awareness of your position in space.  You need to easily move from scaffold or ladder to the roof and back again.  If you’re working on a roof platform on a steep slope, it may require a little bit of physical effort to position yourself next to the work area.  Physical agility is important.  During the course of a single full working day, you may be up and down the scaffolding or ladder at least 30-40 times, usually carrying stuff up or down at the same time.

Some DIY projects can be done easily by one person.  Roofing usually requires at least two sets of hands, unless you are doing a very simple and low roof installation.  Even something as simple as running a chalk-line goes much better/easier with two people working together.  If you have to re-deck, it is much safer to have two people manipulating the sheet into place.  If there is a lot of measuring and cutting involved, it is often much simpler to have one person on the roof doing the measuring and another on the ground doing the cutting, bending, etc.  Installing a 10-ft. piece of flashing on the rake almost always requires two sets of hands.  Putting up or taking down the scaffolding is much, much easier with at least two sets of hands.

Roofing work can also be dangerous.  If getting up on a footstool makes you dizzy, you may want to reconsider.  Things can slip out of your hands and bounce down the slope and to the ground.  Sometimes you can trip on a safety rope or a piece of material.  On some materials, the footing can be very slick and you can slip.  Working on high ladders can be very dangerous if the ladder footing is not solid, or the ladder is not anchored properly at the top.  Therefore to work safely on a roof, requires a mindset that safety is always first.  Remember Murphy’s Law?  Don’t give Murphy an opportunity to play his game.  Accidents usually happen when someone doesn’t pay attention enough to everything that is going on around them.  Distraction is a common reason for the lapse in attention.

In some ways, despite the nature of the work being rather physical, the main indicator of success will be the mental attitude the installer takes on the project.  Your aptitude to plan the project, consider the risks and how you will handle them, take the time to learn the skills on the easier parts, check yourself as you go, work purposefully and carefully, will all contribute to your success.  “Measure twice, cut once” fits here.  As does “Haste make waste”.  

Next Post :  Is your roof a candidate for DIY?

(c)  2014 Paul Grizenko

When DIY (do it yourself) is the option because you can’t find anyone to do it for you…

You can use the information in the articles “How to get a good quote for your roof”, and “How to choose a contractor in Quebec”, to get ideas of how to get the right contractor to do your project.  You’ve met the reps from several companies and you’ve had a look at the work being done by the crews.  After watching how they work, you’re left with the uneasy feeling that they are not as professional as the rep was saying.  At the very least, you wouldn’t want them on YOUR roof.

You may also be in a place where getting help is difficult (at a cottage, or on an island).  Maybe the time when you can get access to the job site is not convenient for other people.  Or it is difficult to coordinate your schedule with that of your hired help.  Whatever the reasons, sometimes it’s just simpler to do it yourself – at your own pace, and on your schedule.

If that is your situation, deciding whether a DIY installation is appropriate will require planning things and determining what would be a realistic and do-able scenario.  If you’re not sure, give us a call – there is a process to be followed, and it’s a lot easier when working with someone who’d done this many times before – like us.

Next post:  DIY so that you can learn.

(c) 2014 Paul Grizenko

Quality – a good reason to do it yourself.

If you ever watched a really good roofing crew at work, you’ll note a number of things about them:

  • They are not hurrying, but are moving purposefully.
  • Everything seems to be progressing in a clock-work manner.
  • The workers are properly secured and are using the right tools.
  • The work trailers or trucks are neat and well organized.
  • The work site is reasonably clean
  • There’s not a lot of loud yelling and running around.
  • The work is continued until done.
  • If bad weather happens, the team is prepared.

However, if you watch a more “average” crew, you’ll see some of the following:

  • Some are working very hard, others are barely moving
  • There’s a lot of yelling
  • Working materials are all over the place
  • The workplace is a mess (and stays a mess at the end of the workday)
  • The work trailer/truck is a mess
  • The workplace feels like a “Jackass” movie set
  • The work is done intermittently – with absences of days between activity (maybe due to visits to the hospital?)
  • No one is in charge (the anarchy model) or one person is doing all the directing (the dictator model).
  • There doesn’t seem to be a clear logic to the work being done (waddasyamean, the waterproofing is UNDER the shingles?  Hey, who knew?).

Do you see the pattern?  The first group knows the sequence of work, uses the right tools, work in a safe way, and are prepared for the unpredictable things.  They work as a team.  The second does not have the experience or knowledge of how the work should flow, or just don’t care enough.  They work as a bunch of guys who need a job.  Which group do you think will give the higher quality?

So why isn’t everyone using only the first team?  Good teams usually cost more than the average teams – sometimes a lot more.  Good teams are not common – you need to search to find such well-functioning teams.  And sometimes, the good teams are not available when you need them because they are fully booked.

You can take your chances on the more common “average” team – but how will you know they did a proper installation?  You don’t know – there are just too many places where short-cuts can be taken.  Pride of workmanship is often missing from the “average” team – partly because they are being paid a minimum wage to throw the product on the roof.

If you want it done right, and if you want to be really sure, then the alternative is to do it yourself, IF you are prepared to acquire the knowledge, practice the skills, and do the work in a safe and careful manner.  It helps to have a coach or mentor keep an eye on things and point out potential problem areas.  If you want to do this, give me a call – I’ve worked with quite a few people over the years to ensure their DIY project was planned and done right.

Next Post:  When DIY is the option because of lack of available labour.

(c) 2014 Paul Grizenko

DIY Roofing – Can you? Should you?

Starting with this post, I will discuss the experience we have had with people contemplating doing the roofing themselves.  This topic will be explored in a series of posts, after which I will edit them into an article section.  If this topic is one you are considering, please send in your comments and questions, and I will incorporate those conversations into the articles.

There are some people who think they can “do-it-themselves”.  In some cases, it’s a good idea, while in other cases it’s a disaster.  If you’re considering going this way, here are some of the things to think about:

  1. Your reasons for doing this.
  2. Your ability & agility
  3. Your roof (Structure, complexity, condition, location)
  4. The product and its peculiarities
  5. Timing and effort required.

Let’s start by  looking at the reasons.  In my experience  people who want to do the roofing themselves are generally considering one of the following:

  • Cost-saving
  • Quality
  • Lack of available labour
  • Knowledge

We will start this post series looking at the Cost-saving as a reason to DIY (Do-It-Yourself).

Labour is a major part of the cost of doing a roofing installation.  If you’ve ever watched a roofing crew, it’s not uncommon to think “Really, how hard is this?  Doesn’t look like they are doing anything special”.  It’s true – roofing is not a highly esoteric  trade that requires years of diligent study and careful apprenticeship.  There are many DIY videos and downloadable instructions on how to do it yourself.  So what can go wrong?  Well, three things:

  • The law of unintended consequences
  • Murphy’s law
  • You don’t know what you don’t know.

When I get called to figure out why something on a roof isn’t working right, I often come across the law of unintended consequences.  The installer got the main technique right, but didn’t consider the way their installation would affect other aspects of the roof.  The roof is a system, and too often, people don’t think through how their actions will change the system.  For instance, one homeowner did a pretty good job installing a metal roof, but didn’t understand the way condensation can form under such a roof – and ended up losing a lawsuit to the purchaser of the home where he installed the roof.  Ouch.

We also know about Murphy’s law – “Anything that can go wrong, will”.  While this can happen to anyone, it tends to happen to people who have not planned the project and are not ready with a plan B, with redundancy in either the work or the tools or the available help.  Tools break.  Helpers get sick or are needed elsewhere.  Weather doesn’t cooperate.  You discover hidden problems and defects.  Suppliers are shut down by any number of issues.  While it’s true that you can’t plan for everything, there is some basic planning that needs to occur, and some important risk analysis that should be done.  Knowing what the normal process is for doing this kind of installation, what kind of things can go wrong, and how things can fail will go a long way to reduce the havoc that Murphy can cause you.

The famous last words “Really, how hard can it be?”  or “What can possibly go wrong?” are all based on the fact that when we’re doing something new, we just don’t know what we don’t know.  When the potential consequences are minimal (such a trying out a new recipe or learning to use a new camera or computer program), it’s fun and it’s educational.  When the potential consequences are death or loss of your primary investment, then it’s really not a very good idea to proceed.  At least, not until you’ve made sure you have learned as much as possible.  Even then, having an experienced mentor or coach can keep you from making really expensive or damaging mistakes.

A side note about the advice contained in the on-line videos and articles:  as with everything on the internet, there is some very good stuff, some not-so-good stuff, and some really misleading stuff, and it is not always obvious why some technique or advice is either wrong or inappropriate for your situation.  As well, if the techniques illustrated work well in Austin, Texas, they may not translate to the environment in coastal Maine, or to an area like Quebec, because the ambient environment may be very different.  Be also aware that usually in the interest of keeping the videos short, the context is often glossed over – why is the technique illustrated the best one for the situation and what are the strengths and weaknesses of the technique?   

You can realize very significant cost savings IF you know what you are doing, IF you are capable of doing the necessary work safely under the prevailing conditions, and IF you have considered the roof as an integrated system.  We have trained and guided about 85 homeowners in the installation of metal roofs on their homes and cottages, and have had very good results, but ALL took the time to learn about how their roof system operates, how the product had to be installed, and how to do it in a safe manner.  If you want to benefit from this knowledge, give me a call – it may be the best investment you can make.

Next Post:  when “Quality” is the driving force behind the DIY installation.

(c) 2014 Paul Grizenko